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**bill reed** · 02-09-2007, 02:36 PM

Re: women vs men's golf

hi
i agree with brian that many women are better than men golfers, its just the top pro men golfer are stronger, longer of the tee and a bit more skilled aroung the green, most of the lpga are very skilled and only lack distance. its not all strenth, i would say lara davis is stronger than a lot of men pro golfers and longer off the tee too, but maybe not as skilled aroung the green, i do think women's golf is getting closer to mens golf, i know here we play in a mixed 4some and the women are no handcap, infact they make it an enjoyable day golfing, i love watching how most women swing the golf club, its smooth and it not all power like most men, the make the golf club do the work and i think we could learn a lot by watching the top women golfer.
bill

**Wildbore** · 02-10-2007, 11:52 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

Originally posted by BrianW

Dear Mr Wildbore,

You are mixing up strength with skill. Regarding your rude and brusque manner when replying to peterj's original posting, I think you should get back to school and learn some manners.

I never mixed up strength and skill.

I just stated the reason men are better is because of physical strength, which is entirely true.

I also said the reason for lack of popularity of women's golf is because it has not been around as long, and the overlapping of tour events. This is just my opinion, but you can feel free to offer your objections.

Regarding skill, Peter asked whether women are considered equal to men in skill. The clear answer is no. He is referring to perception, the perception of women in general is that they are not as skilled as men. The perception of Michelle Wie is that she has the skill of men, or at least the potential to get there, that is why she is afforded the oppurtunity to compete with Men.

**BrianW** · 02-10-2007, 09:24 PM

Re: women vs men's golf

Originally posted by Wildbore

Why isn't women's golf as popular as men's? Gee, maybe its because men are better golfers, and the PGA Tour has been around longer to draw more of a fan base.

They aren't considered equal in skill, and they never will be

You are correct that Women are not as strong as Men. Regarding skill, OK that's your opinion. I know many skilled women golfers, some are more skilled than some men, it's difficult to categorise at every level. Who knows if they will ever be better generally?

**Mizunoman** · 02-11-2007, 09:23 PM

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its nice to see theres another cynic out there edshaw.

Was anyone else horrified by Wie's outfit at the european tour event she played in, the little black number. This is a girl who has not yet reached the age of consent in the US being exploited (if you can think of another word, by all means let m know) by Nike. It was horrible, at least the likes of Natalie Gulbis and Sophie Sandolo are playing the system and they are savvy to it, do you seriously think Wie thought about those sort of implications when she got poured into that outfit?

On the subject of Mens V Womens golf, I like to draw an analogy with boxing, Mens golf is like the Heavyweight division, all power no subtelty and the Womens is like Middleweight, far better to watch, much more enjoyable. When you watch womens golf you see how you should play a long iron into a tricky par 4 green or how you should plan a par 5. The mens game is so removed from the popular game. Very very few amateurs will ever be face with a 7 iron second shot into a 500+yard par 5 just as very few would be hitting a mid iron into a 200+yard par 3.

D.

**Started2k3** · 02-12-2007, 02:20 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

Originally posted by Wildbore

I......Regarding skill, Peter asked whether women are considered equal to men in skill. The clear answer is no. ....

So does this mean that if a man and a woman pro player were given THEIR 7 iron distance to a pin. Then the male would always be closer?

Are men naturally/physiologically better at putting?
Off the tee, are women less accurate?

What is it about the physical design of women that makes them less skilled?

**uhpilot** · 02-12-2007, 10:27 PM

Re: women vs men's golf

I just want to know why Michelle Wie, since she is trying to win in a men's tournament, doesn't have to play from the designated tees of the day that every other player in the competition is playing from.

The men don't play from the "men's" tees, they play from the designated "professional" tees.

So is Michelle really playing on a level field as the rest. The amatuers don't get to play from the "whites".

Since I can't drive it 325 yds you think they would let me tee from the closer tees just because I can't keep up with everyone?

If she does actually win a tournament would they have to put an asterisk beside her name with the quote "played alternate shorter course"

Sorry for the rant, just my opinion.

**bill reed** · 02-12-2007, 10:48 PM

Re: women vs men's golf

hi
i did not know she played on diffrent tee's when she played in the mens tour, dont think thats right, all should play off the same tee,s.
bill

**uhpilot** · 02-13-2007, 02:31 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

Originally posted by bill reed

hi
i did not know she played on diffrent tee's when she played in the mens tour, dont think thats right, all should play off the same tee,s.
bill

Well if that's true I apologize for ranting for nothing.

Don't know why but I always thought she tee'd off from shorter ones.

Got myself all worked up for nothing.

Ricky

**edshaw** · 02-13-2007, 03:20 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

I suppose I am on the cynical side on this
subject, Mizunoman. Can't apologize for
it, though. I mean, people rag on WalMart
but at least WalMart makes an effort to
pass on some of the savings to the
consumer. Nike (and others I won't name)
take top dollar and shove

it in their
pockets. (That doesn't mean you'll ever
wrench my SQ driver out of my hands,
mind ya.)

**BrianW** · 02-16-2007, 04:28 PM

Re: women vs men's golf

I read the following article on a website S4Par recommended. It is an interesting point on why Women's anatomy make some throwing type actions more difficult than men.

"Anatomically, women are slightly different than men especially in the elbow angle, which is called carrying-angle. Women have a slight angle outward at the elbow thus making it more difficult for them to throw overhand or swing through the ball. As this elbow angle increases past ten degrees, these women are found to be more successful in throwing underarm. When women with larger elbow angles are taught golf instruction in the same manner as men, shoulder injuries and elbow injuries become more prevalent since this swing movement is unnatural with this larger carrying-angle and affect the biomechanics of the golf swing. "

**Mox** · 02-16-2007, 08:03 PM

Re: women vs men's golf

Just to make one thing completely clear:

Michelle Wie plays of the same tees as any other participant in the tournaments she plays.

**uhpilot** · 02-17-2007, 12:30 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

Originally posted by Mox

Just to make one thing completely clear:

Michelle Wie plays of the same tees as any other participant in the tournaments she plays.

Thanks for the clarification. I feel a little bit better about her trying to play the men now.

Ricky

**ReefBoy** · 04-10-2008, 01:25 AM

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Hi guys,

Just to resurrect a discussion that has been dead for a year. All through the thread there is the acknowledgment of the physical difference between men and women in the power game. This I am not going to dispute, but you could very easily have great golf matches between men and women, both playing off the same tees. It comes down to ball technology. If all the men play with a ball that flies 40-50 yards less then the women's ball, you will then have a competitive game in all aspects. This idea would mean there is no sex difference between all aspects of the game, only player differences.

Christopher

**bill reed** · 04-10-2008, 09:19 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

hi
if you look at Lorena Ochoa she is long and has a really good all round game and the best in the world for the last year. the list of really good women golfers is getting bigger and there overall game has improver and so many girls from Asia play so well now.
i wonder why there is never a mixed doubles competition where you could see some of the top women golfer play with some of the best men golfers.
i do think many would be shocked by how close that gaps getting and M Wie did not do the women any good playing in the mens game before she could beat the top women or even compete in there top ten week on week.
cheers
bill

**bdbl** · 04-10-2008, 10:33 AM

Re: women vs men's golf

Originally posted by bill reed View Post

hi
i love watching how most women swing the golf club, its smooth and it not all power like most men, the make the golf club do the work and i think we could learn a lot by watching the top women golfer.
bill

Have to agree with that Bill; I'm not into watching videos and comparing positions and movement etc BUT I do like watching the ladies play so that I can try to emulate the approach - smooth timing - that they employ.

More pleasant on the eye too.

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