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  • #16
    Re: A couple of Rules q's

    Yes, could have said "gravel" instead of "crushed bluestone"...

    The area where the ball in question finished has completely overgrown the LH side of what was a path used by the groundstaff.

    The mowers only go to the RH side of the path, the passage of the traffic along the path looks after the rest. The groundstaff make no effort to manicure the creek side if the path.

    If all of that makes any visual sense.

    The whole crux of the argument was the marking of the ball with the foot.

    The rule book actually states (page 21, in the "quick guide to the rules of golf section" at the start of the book) -

    "When the ball is being lifted in order to drop or place it in another position (e.g. dropping within 2 club-lengths under the unplayable rule), it is not mandatory to mark its position although it is recommended that you do so"

    I am still reasonably sure DQ was unwarranted...

    Cheers

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    • #17
      Re: A couple of Rules q's

      You said the ball may or may not have been his and it was lifted to ID it.

      In that situation it must be marked.

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      • #18
        Re: A couple of Rules q's

        He was marking it, with his shoe. His marker was aware of what he was doing...

        After he'd ID'd it as his ball, he then asked for relief, and this was agreed with by his marker.

        Then, after ascertaining his nearest point and asking his marker to mark that point, he moved to drop his ball at the new location.

        Again, I could be wrong, but, I'm still not sure he did anything wrong.

        Cheers

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        • #19
          Re: A couple of Rules q's

          Another thought...

          Could an exposed tree root be considered a tree under 2 club lengths...?

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          • #20
            Re: A couple of Rules q's

            Originally posted by Scragger63 View Post
            After he'd ID'd it as his ball, he then asked for relief, and this was agreed with by his marker.

            Again, I could be wrong, but, I'm still not sure he did anything wrong.
            Of course his marker is not the one to decide. His only responsibilty is to mark the card. He is not a rules official or a member of the Committee.

            The correct action was to play two balls under rule 3-3 and check the status of the area with the committee at the end of the round.

            But (without seeing the area) I am still inclined to say the stones were not part of the path but overspill and as such simply loose impediments. No relief.

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            • #21
              Re: A couple of Rules q's

              Regarding the marking of the ball using his boot, I don't think that's OK.

              There's a note to rule 20.1 at the USGA site

              Note: The position of a ball to be lifted should be marked by placing a ball-marker, a small coin or other similar object immediately behind the ball. If the ball-marker interferes with the play, stance or stroke of another player, it should be placed one or more clubhead-lengths to one side.
              Small coin or "similar object". I can't possibly imagine anybody putting a players boot and a small coin in the "similar" category. :-)

              Also - using the "play what's fair" basis of the rules - the purpose of the marking is to get an EXACT ball position, since even marginal errors in re-positioning the ball would constitute "playing from the wrong position", resulting in a 2 stroke or Loss of Hole penalty.

              Only way to get a relatively precise marking is to use an object with a smaller "footprint" (pun intended) than the ball itself and place it - according to the note on 20.1 - "immediately behind the ball".

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              • #22
                Re: A couple of Rules q's

                Originally posted by Mox View Post
                Regarding the marking of the ball using his boot, I don't think that's OK.

                There's a note to rule 20.1 at the USGA site
                But Dec 20-1/16 says

                The provision in the Note to Rule 20-1 is a recommendation of best practice, but there is no penalty for failing to act in accordance with the Note.

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                • #23
                  Re: A couple of Rules q's

                  Originally posted by aaa View Post
                  But Dec 20-1/16 says

                  The provision in the Note to Rule 20-1 is a recommendation of best practice, but there is no penalty for failing to act in accordance with the Note.
                  Which is sort of in accord with what I mentioned earlier about "should" & "must"...

                  Given the player may have had no intent to play their next shot from where they found the ball, under the rules, there was no need to mark it's position...

                  The rule says "should" not "must"...

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