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  • #16
    Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

    Originally posted by bill reed View Post
    hi
    i would say the distance chart that Brian posted is spot on,
    i did once see a guy at the golf range hitting his own ball and he said they went further than the range balls and he could ht his 8 iron 175 yards but he was using the yard marks on the range board and i had not the heart to tell him the the range ball hit short due to the range only being 250 yards long but it had a 300 yard marker up and if you hit the range balls with a driver you could hit about 250-260 yards on the range which was about right but really the range balls were only going about 200-210 yards. but with a real ball you put it past the 300 yard marker and into the high fence that was only 250 real yards away.
    cheers
    bill
    That's good one, Bill.

    Oh, I hit over 30 yards past the green with my drive on a par four!!

    That was in late October, at a hardpan golf course in Saskatchewan, after a couple of weeks of sub zero temps. It was the first hole. I kept walking to find my drive, which I hit straight, so I'm almost at the green and thought no way, and then I saw the ball past the green. Trouble was every pitch to the green went "tink" and bouncey, bouncey, way over the green. Next pitch, same thing.

    With the huge winds in the prairies, the downwind drives in summer were great, however there were the 150 yard drives into the wind and 4 iron 130 yard approaches to greens .

    Ted

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    • #17
      Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

      Originally posted by rotator View Post
      Hi Brian,

      I posted a chart on another thread yesterday, which gives Tiger's distances for each club for 2007. There may be some differences to update to present, also, it's his normal swing, not his full out swing distances. However, I would say he would be in the top 5% of the big hitters on tour, but the table shows reality.

      I said in another thread, that I've watched all of the "Playing Lessons" series on the Golf Channel. This is where well known pros play about 9 holes and virtually all shots taken are shown, with a running commentary by the players of what clubs they are using and for what conditions and distances. After seeing the incredible distances being hit by players on tournament telecasts in certain cases, I think we get conditioned to believe a 200 yard 7 iron is normal. But in these Playing Lessons, more often than not, the players would say - light wind somewhat in the face, 204 yards - 3 iron. One player, who also does golf commentary, bluntly blurted - yes, people, 3 iron, not a 7 iron as they say on television!. He hit a nice high 3 iron pin high.

      I believe that the huge shots hit under the gun in a tournament are the abberations. The player is on a roll and he is really pumped and he wants to hit the critical shot as hard as he can, rather than take a shorter club and play a normal shot. There could also be massive flyers, winds, slight downhill lies which shut down the lofts, etc.

      Adrenalin does wonders and so does intense concentration. I have always played stronger and better in tournaments, and when I had to pull off a tough shot. I took a more longer and deliberate backswing, and that along with being more tuned to the swing, allowed me to hit the ball better than in my usual casual rounds. My fellow competitors would later say - wow, you were totally wired, and I was because i would be totally drained after the round. I found it surprising to later learn that you are not supposed to shoot 10 shots under your handicap, as I would on occasion, because the statistics on that are supposedly something like 4000 to 1.

      There are also times when we have hit "career" shots, but those are not the norm, and we can't do that all the time. Because I hit a 150 yard pitching wedge the few times, I can't count on jumping out of my shoes on every 150 yard hole, and getting a good result. The game is scoring.

      That's my thoughts.

      Ted
      Ted,
      Thanks for your input. I am commenting on the OP and other mid to high handicappers that claim these silly distances. To my mind it is just a peeing contest and not to be taken seriously.

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      • #18
        Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

        Originally posted by BrianW View Post
        Ted,
        Thanks for your input. I am commenting on the OP and other mid to high handicappers that claim these silly distances. To my mind it is just a peeing contest and not to be taken seriously.
        So am I, Brian.

        I posted the Tiger distances, so people will be able to relate to the reality of their limits versus the stats of someone like him.

        Ted

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        • #19
          Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

          hi rotator
          what i was trying to say was that some ranges use range balls that limit the distance they fly as the ranges are not big enough for guys that hit more than 250 yards and some off the range balls fall about 30 yards short of a real ball.
          cheers
          bill

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          • #20
            Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

            Hi Bill,

            I know what you were getting at about the range balls, and I just said that I enjoyed the story. It's so much like other misguided chest-thumping examples I've seen over the years, in golf and otherwise.

            The rest of my post was a tongue in cheek anectodal example of my "long hitting" prowess (on frozen links).

            Ted

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            • #21
              Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

              Originally posted by rotator View Post
              Hi Bill,

              I know what you were getting at about the range balls, and I just said that I enjoyed the story. It's so much like other misguided chest-thumping examples I've seen over the years, in golf and otherwise.

              The rest of my post was a tongue in cheek anectodal example of my "long hitting" prowess (on frozen links).

              Ted
              Ted, reminds me of a shot I made recently. Si 1 on my winter course in a par 4 @ 420 yards, I teed off from a temporary tee stand, it was very cold for the UK and the ground was white with frost, I lost my footing and duck hooked my tee shot left onto the next fairway around 150 yards away. I took my next shot with a 5 wood that felt great and sailed over the trees in the general direction of the green. As I walked up the fairway I could not see the ball against the white fairway then as I approached the green it had pulled up 4 feet from the pin and I putted a birdy It must have hit the rock hard ground and bounced on a number of times.

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              • #22
                Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

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                Last edited by golfinguy28; 02-14-2009, 06:22 AM.

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                • #23
                  Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                  hi golfinguy
                  one thing i would say might help is to go somewhere where you can measure how far you hit the ball with every club, then work out the distance between each club and see if there all the same ie 10 yards or 12 yards or something like that. if you find say your7 iron gives you a spacing of 15 yards between that and say a 8 iron then you may have the incorrect loft on one or two of your clubs. also knowing how far you hit each club and knowing the distance you would normally get helps you work out not only what clubs to use on each hole but also how better to manage that hole.
                  i have never been a big hitter with my driver and 265yards is about as long as i ever seemed to get but now I'm hitting more like 255 yards now but i have a good 10 to 12 yard spread between my irons, and 20 yards between my 3 wood and driver.
                  i also find knowing how far you hit your 8,9 and wedges, full, 3/4 and half swing really dropped my handicap a lot.
                  cheers
                  bill

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                  • #24
                    Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                    Originally posted by golfinguy28
                    no, I am disagreeing that you say it is not possible, as I have seen it with my own eyes. I went out today and measured with a GPS 160m converts to 174.976yards, as I said, the 175 marker with range balls off the deck, I think a reall ball with a tee I could pick up 5 yards.



                    What is this kind of talk? A guy was asking about a club distance gap and then all you came in acusing OP and/or me of lying about distances and "thumping chest" or "peeing contest". If you are a "golfer doing fine" unless you hit these distances and want to help out the OP you have no need to be in this thread. If I saw a thread labeled 10 second cars (as I own a geo Metro), I cannot relate to nor help anyone so there is no need for me to enter or chat other than non-serous curiousity, but I have no place inputing other than asking questions maybe. The thread is clearly labeled. If this was labeled "if you don't hit 8i 180, then you suck" that would be a differnt story and you comments might be welcomed as that is not helping anyone get anywhere. I was merely relating to the OP so show that I can relate, and I think they need to do to fix the problem.

                    So I ask YOU the question, what good did you do comming here?

                    Bill Reed or LP42 are the only ones here who actually seems genuine in trying to help ensure that it is possible that we are mistaken on distances.




                    My handicap is 30-50? last I played, though I have only played maybe 10 rounds. I never really used a handycap nor understood how the system worked nor cared and hit from the black tees and counted every shot (2' muff shot or anything) and scored 100-120. I have no need to lie or to prove myslef to you or anyone.

                    As I have said so many times, I am working on my swing, as I believe that is the fondation to good golf, I still need to work on my short game, and then my putting. But I would like to get my full swing down 1st before I move on. If I played right now, my guess would be shooting in high 80's low 90's due to poor short game and putting. When building something you need a foundation, the swing is my foundation, then I will build on that.

                    What ever sunshine! It always seems when I have tried to give some advice you appear on the scene and disagree with what I have said and it does get up my nose, particularly when I hear this talk of 300 yard drives and 180 yard 8 irons from high handicappers. Just read back through this thread and see that you did it again, questioning my comments. I just give up, it's just not worth the hassle.
                    Last edited by BrianW; 01-30-2009, 04:55 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                      Originally posted by BrianW View Post
                      Ted, reminds me of a shot I made recently. Si 1 on my winter course in a par 4 @ 420 yards, I teed off from a temporary tee stand, it was very cold for the UK and the ground was white with frost, I lost my footing and duck hooked my tee shot left onto the next fairway around 150 yards away. I took my next shot with a 5 wood that felt great and sailed over the trees in the general direction of the green. As I walked up the fairway I could not see the ball against the white fairway then as I approached the green it had pulled up 4 feet from the pin and I putted a birdy It must have hit the rock hard ground and bounced on a number of times.
                      Should be good for the ego, heh, heh, Brian. But, I know you know this is not reality.

                      I have played at many courses, which give yardages for the holes, which are totally inflated. There is no way I could drive a par four hole, which the distance given as 420 yards, yet I supposedly have. Or the par three hole of supposedly 150 yards, which I always reach with a PW. These courses do not have OGA, RCGA or whatever authority certified yardages and markers, so they can enhance their yardages to make the public believe they are at a full length course, and not an executive course.

                      Take Bill Reed's story about the driving range, I see that all the time at the ranges I've gone to. It would not do, to have to disclose your range boundary is maximum a 250 yard limit, yet they have 300 yard markers. They have to keep the public happy and motivated to come back.

                      Ted

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                      • #26
                        Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                        This is turning into an interesting thread!

                        For what it`s worth, I consider myself a fairly long hitter but I could never, ever hit an 8-iron 180 yards. It seems an incredible distance. I just wonder if you have got it wrong. Maybe you haven`t and maybe you are an incredibly long hitter but I`ve never seen stats like this before.

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                        • #27
                          Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                          Thanks for You All My Friends in this forum,expecially LowPost.Sorry i can't reply,lately i get sick.Anyway i have done all You guys suggested.My 3 iron now has reach 230yard in distance.Thanks!

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                          • #28
                            Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                            Originally posted by BrianW View Post
                            it does get up my nose, particularly when I hear this talk of 300 yard drives and 180 yard 8 irons from high handicappers. Just read back through this thread and see that you did it again, questioning my comments. I just give up, it's just not worth the hassle.
                            Hey now, quit raggin' on the long hitting high cappers! As a jan-u-wine 20 capper, I've hit a few 300 yard bombs and at one point was hitting my 40 degree 8 iron 170. So, if this 8i is actually 36 degrees, it's not unreasonable to think it's going 180.

                            Or perhaps it's a flat landing trajectory and running out. We all know that internet golfers are really LD competitors!

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                            • #29
                              Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

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                              Last edited by golfinguy28; 02-14-2009, 06:23 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: 3iron = 8iron 180yrd!!

                                hi golfinguy
                                i don't think its the hitting an 8 iron 180 yards that unattainable for a high handicapper. as lowpost says you do often hit a flyer with a 8 or 7 iron and turn the 7 into a loft of a 4 or 5 iron and hit it out there about 170 yards.
                                i think Brian means having a high handicapper hitting 180 with a 8 iron on demand. we know that some pro golfer can do it but i would think i unlikely that a golfer in the 18 to 24 handicap range could hit 6 ball out of 10 that distance. i know i could not do it. but i do think he could hit maybe 2 out of 10 but not guaranteeing that they were on line.

                                the trouble with trying to hit it to far is that your swing goes to hell and you more often or not hit a duffer. if you know you can hit your 8 iron 140 without any effort but you need to it 150 then its much easer to just take a 7 iron and use the same relaxed swing.
                                knowing how far you can hit each club without effort soon brings down your handicap and almost all pro golfers play at 95% and not 100% swing.

                                a handicap is more for letting someone who normally get round in say 100 play against a player who normally gets round in say 78 and lets then have a game where they player who takes 22 shots more have a chance of winning. its a good system but not always a good judge of how good a player is at golf until you get down to single figures.
                                cheers
                                bill

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