i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

[kevinhendrix]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Hello,
Kevin McDonald PGA here of 3skillsgolf.
Hope you are all enjoying your golf and playing well.
Big hello to all the Arden boys : )
Kevin McDonald PGA

[bill reed]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi Kevin
you say that 3sk will help with every method in the world but what if you use a method where you don't come in open to square to closed with the club face through impact but use a Trevino type system where you use an open stance and push the shot keeping the club face square before and after impact with no wrist turn through impact. the bowed left wrist before and after impact is what helps make this system work and you don't throw the club at the ball its more you pull it throw the ball with that system. Mindy Blake has a system very much like Trevino's. both systems seem to disagree with the 3sk and trying to use a open to close clubface would not work with there systems. i have tried it with the AJ Bonner type (home run) and it just don't work, it does work if using a normal type golf swing.
my point is that you stated that 3sk works with all method's of playing golf but i do think in two cases your system don't work.
i do believe it does work and works well with most types of golf swings but not all.
cheers
bill

[kevinhendrix]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi Kevin
you say that 3sk will help with every method in the world but what if you use a method where you don't come in open to square to closed with the club face through impact but use a Trevino type system where you use an open stance and push the shot keeping the club face square before and after impact with no wrist turn through impact. the bowed left wrist before and after impact is what helps make this system work and you don't throw the club at the ball its more you pull it throw the ball with that system. Mindy Blake has a system very much like Trevino's. both systems seem to disagree with the 3sk and trying to use a open to close clubface would not work with there systems. i have tried it with the AJ Bonner type (home run) and it just don't work, it does work if using a normal type golf swing.
my point is that you stated that 3sk works with all method's of playing golf but i do think in two cases your system don't work.
i do believe it does work and works well with most types of golf swings but not all.
cheers
bill

Hi Bill
I hear what you're saying and agree with you. I was incorrect to say the 3sk will help with every method in the world.
I was trying to get across simply that whatever it is most instructors are teaching, ultimately
they are trying to improve the 3skills of their pupils. ie. a more powerful, squarer contact from the club's sweetspot.
Most of the time they are doing this unknowingly but in a very complex manner.
The 3sk stand in their own right and should never be combined with any other swing theory or technique. The author clearly states this in the book.
The beauty of the 3sk is the brilliantly simple logical way it encourages golfers to think about hitting a ball without all the unneccessary complexities other methods inevitably introduce. It leaves the golfer free to focus on the real task of golf - where to hit the ball and how it will get there!
Hope this clears up any confusion sorry for any misleading comments.
Cheers mate
Kevin

[bill reed]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi Kevin
thanks for getting back to me so quickly, Brainw has helped me understand your system and it has helped so many of my friends on here, more power to your elbow and hope it keeps helping more people in the future, not many use my (Trevino) system but it works so well for me i don't want to change, hope you understand i was only wanting to make sure that i understood you and that it would not work for me if i kept my system.
thanks again for your help and information.
bill

[bill reed]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

thanks cmays
over the last few months i have found you to be a big help to me. not many understand the how's and why's of the Trevino swing, and the things you have to do to make it work, you seem to understand the system and grasp the things I'm saying, it hard to explain to others that you push the ball and your hand move away from your body after impact and not inside and turn over like in normal golf swing and the use of the hips to control the swing.
my forearms don't start to turn over till about waist high on my left side at its about my shoulders before the back of my right hand point to the sky. feels a bit like Arni palmer.
once you understand it its a very easy system to use and it repeats as you know.
the thing with 3sk that don't work is the turning of the forearms through impact, if you do that you lose the the control of the fade. i find that doing it makes me draw the ball and makes it so hard to fade turning the club over, if i keep the club face open then i can control the fade. and with this type of swing i think its more about control than distance.
you pull the club through the ball to the impact point a few inches in front of the ball and it there that the arms both start to extend. i feel like the back of my left hand and the palm of my right hand control the club face and my hands are my aim point for where i want the ball to start out.
I'm not the best at explaining what I'm doing so i hope you understand. i know in my head what I'm doing and and why it works for me but its harder to try and explain it.
thanks again for your help.

ps.
still not recived my Mindy Blake books, there was a postal strike on over here and i have been told they will be here by Friday at the latest, will let you know how i get on with my two books.
cheers
bill

[bill reed]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi cmays
Trevino says in his book on page 118.
Aiming and aligning to the left will force you to react by swinging your left arm out and down your flight path and through impact. the reactions that aiming to the left disallows are swinging the clubhead back off to the left, or turning the clubface off to the left, if you turn the club face then your ball will start out and curve to the left. do accelerate your left arm and clubface out and down your flight path and through impact and slightly beyond it.

i think this is the part that wont work with 3sk as there system has you swinging the arms and clubhead back to the left at or just after impact there swing is more around where i have to push my arm out away from the body to keep my fade.
i don't feel i have much wrist hinge and after impact my left hand seems to bow more and my right hand cup more too. right hand almost at right angle about left hip. my right wrist don't seem to flatten on the downswing and even when both arms extended there is still some cup there, not something i try to do it just happens.
bill

[The Hud]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Enough of P.N-H, for now anyway.

I was looking at this clip showing Moe Normans wrist movements through impact. He executed the 3 skills so well especially skill 3.

http://www.moenorman.com/images/moe_...view_hands.gif

Brian I have just purchased the book and have not yet been to the range to practice the 3skills, but I am a little confused by sk 3, as shown above by Moe, is that not what everyone dose when they are hitting through the ball ,
in other words the normal hitting action of the right hand as it makes impact, or am I missing something?.

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Brian I have just purchased the book and have not yet been to the range to practice the 3skills, but I am a little confused by sk 3, as shown above by Moe, is that not what everyone dose when they are hitting through the ball ,
in other words the normal hitting action of the right hand as it makes impact, or am I missing something?.

Hi Hud.

Skill 3 is the action of approaching the ball with the clubface open and passing with it closing. Remember that 3 skills does not tell you what to do with your hands, it only shows you what the club should be doing. My understanding of the skill is that it encourages lag and a good release of the clubface to produce power in the shot.

The point I was making was that if you watch Moe's wrists they are moving from well open to closed through impact.

[Neil18]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

A good observation Bri.

From this one may presume that Moe played with a slight draw/straight, but we can't see the clubface in relation to his grip in those images.

I would say from that link that he is definately using his right hand a bit through impact n that particular shot. Hence why I think he may have been a drawer of the ball. For a straight one, he'd probably seem to hold it off a bit more (by comparison).

We can now only really surmise unfortunately.

[greghutton]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Hi Hud.

Skill 3 is the action of approaching the ball with the clubface open and passing with it closing. Remember that 3 skills does not tell you what to do with your hands, it only shows you what the club should be doing. My understanding of the skill is that it encourages lag and a good release of the clubface to produce power in the shot.

The point I was making was that if you watch Moe's wrists they are moving from well open to closed through impact.

Spot on Brian

[Trad1]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

1 hit down & find the sweetspot on your club
2 connect with the ball at your outermost point of your swing curve
3 turn the blade from open to closed
But buy the book to learn how to do this correctly.
FORGET YOUR SWING INSTRUCTION DVD'S

I am interested in adding this book to my golf library, but here are a few comments and questions.

I don't understand number 1.

If I do understand the meaning of number 2, that concept is at least 100 years old if not older. It is related to an ancient concept often called the swing circle.

Number 3 is also a very old concept. It was recently refashioned by A.J. Bonar and packaged as a new revolutionary concept.

I visited the website and it gave no information about the concepts only rave reviews. I am always a bit worried about the "trust me I have found the secret" golf instruction web sites.

Please explain how the concepts are revolutionary. I hope I'm wrong and would embrace any worthwhile new way to improve my swing.

Trad1

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

1 hit down & find the sweetspot on your club
2 connect with the ball at your outermost point of your swing curve
3 turn the blade from open to closed
But buy the book to learn how to do this correctly.
FORGET YOUR SWING INSTRUCTION DVD'S

I am interested in adding this book to my golf library, but here are a few comments and questions.

I don't understand number 1.

If I do understand the meaning of number 2, that concept is at least 100 years old if not older. It is related to an ancient concept often called the swing circle.

Number 3 is also a very old concept. It was recently refashioned by A.J. Bonar and packaged as a new revolutionary concept.

I visited the website and it gave no information about the concepts only rave reviews. I am always a bit worried about the "trust me I have found the secret" golf instruction web sites.

Please explain how the concepts are revolutionary. I hope I'm wrong and would embrace any worthwhile new way to improve my swing.

Trad1

If you look back through this long thread I have explained a number of times that the book contains nothing revolutionary or new in the golf swing. There is nothing new in the golf swing, no magic bullets, no golden moves, nothing that good ball strikers don't do already.

The book simplifies what are the important things that constitute good ball striking, it explains it in a way that we mortals can understand, it gives us drills that we can use to learn how to strike the ball well and last but not least it allows us to let go of all those complicated, constricting swing thoughts that impede our progress.

That's just about what it is.

EDIT:
What is different is the teaching methods.

[Trad1]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

The author of this method has this to say on the web site.

After three solid years of research I have written "Nail It", my first book under the 3skillsgolf method that I have developed. This is a revolution in golf instruction. The methods employed in 3skillsgolf will change the way that you view golf forever. Nail It approaches the game from a totally different angle to conventional teaching. Its uniqueness lies in its sheer simplicity combined with total logic.

I added the underline for emphasis.

So the method is comprised of time tested concepts that have been presented in a revolutionary way. I'm fine with that, but why does the website take the "trust me" approach by not revealing anything of substance? After reading the information on the web site I don't have the foggiest notion of what this system is all about. I find that troubling.

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[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

The author of this method has this to say on the web site.

After three solid years of research I have written "Nail It", my first book under the 3skillsgolf method that I have developed. This is a revolution in golf instruction. The methods employed in 3skillsgolf will change the way that you view golf forever. Nail It approaches the game from a totally different angle to conventional teaching. Its uniqueness lies in its sheer simplicity combined with total logic.

I added the underline for emphasis.

So the method is comprised of time tested concepts that have been presented in a revolutionary way. I'm fine with that, but why does the website take the "trust me" approach by not revealing anything of substance? After reading the information on the web site I don't have the foggiest notion of what this system is all about. I find that troubling.

Trad1

You may well be correct there. I don't work for them so I am not in a position to answer for their marketing strategy. maybe you should tell them on their site?

All I can tell you is that I am a low handicap golfer but managed to make significant improvements to my ball striking by really understanding how to hit the ball on the sweetspot of any club consistently.

[Trad1]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

It struck me as rather odd that a book that I have never heard of plays such a dominant role in this forum. I could not find it on Amazon and yet it's the champ here. How in the world could a golf instruction book not e listed on Amazon? That seemed impossible to believe.

Well, a few minutes ago I took some time to go through this web site, which is something I did not do when I stumbled on it a few days ago, and discovered that Joe Hagan is a member of the Golf Tuition On-Line staff.

I think I'm going to bail on this forum. My participation will just clogg up the Nail it network.

Trad1