Stupid Video Swing Recording!

[Matt10]

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Thanks Jam. It's weird because I worked really hard on focusing not swaying/crashing and worked on rotating around my right leg on the backswing. The problem is my arms and head ruin everything. I read the article about moving your head back in the backswing, so I'll try that next.

[Matt10]

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Is this even remotely close to what I want to do on the backswing? Trying my best to avoid the reverse pivot...it's taking over my life.

[jambalaya]

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Is this even remotely close to what I want to do on the backswing? Trying my best to avoid the reverse pivot...it's taking over my life.

Can't say for sure. Looks better to me.

[Matt10]

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Thanks Jam. I've been fiddling with this backswing all day - now I have to go to work...

I guess I need to re-read Jeff's ebook. So sick of looking at my swing

[Jeff Mann]

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See - http://jeffmann.net/MT2.jpg

I've posted your old and new end-backswing positions side-by-side.

Your new position is much better. It is like day-and-night. In your new end-backswing position, you are poised with your hands outside your right foot. Then, when your start the downswing with a hip shift-rotation movement, your right elbow will be pulled quickly down to your right hip area, and your clubshaft can quickly drop into a downswing "inner slot" position. That will also allow your right shoulder to catch up with your hip rotation in the downswing.

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/SLAP-hipsearlyDS.jpg

Note that the hips lead the shoulders in the early downswing, but the shoulders are starting to catch up later in the downswing, so that the angle-difference between the shoulder turn and hip turn is reduced.

In your old end-backswing position, your hands were too far back and behind your head and you were in a reverse pivot position. That means that your upper body and hands first had to move away from the target (to correct the spine tilt) at the start of the downswing - before they could move down towards the ball. That caused a delay in your upper torso (shoulder) rotation, which means that your shoulders lagged far behind the hips.

See - http://jeffmann.net/Matt.jpg

Look at image 3 (when your hands are at waist position in the downswing) - note that the hips are already facing the target while your shoulders are still square. Compare that angle-difference (between the shoulder turn and hip turn) to that diagram from the "Swing Like a Pro" book above. Note that your hips are too far ahead of your shoulders, which means that the upper body becomes "disconnected" from the lower body. The torso should turn through the downswing and impact zone as a cohesive unit (and be perfectly synchronised) so that maximum swing power can be generated in a smooth manner.

If you can achieve that "new" end-backswing position on a consistent manner, then it should benefit your swing tremendously.

Aaron Baddeley has recently lowered his left arm angle in the backswing, so that his left arm is below the shoulder turn in the backswing. That means that he cannot get his left arm that far back during the backswing. That results in a less complete backswing.

See - http://jeffmann.net/AB-BackswingComparison.jpg

Note his shorter backswing (left arm at 10:30 o'clock) and note how far his hands are outside his right foot. Amazingly, he can hit just as far with a shorter backswing. It is easier for the clubshaft to drop into a "slot" at the start of the downswing (passively in response to the hip shift-rotation transition move) with a shorter backswing.

Jeff.

[Matt10]

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Thanks Jeff, it really did feel like I had more control in my swing. It feels good to get at least one thing right so far, I've really had to set back and look at my swing constructively, I absolutely without a doubt appreciate EVERYONE'S input and guidance. Jeff, thanks very much for going image by image on my swing.

I love that new swing AB has. That is the backswing position I want to be in , I really would love to be there. I know as soon as I do get there I'll be in great shape. The problem is I can't figure out HOW to get there, my arms seem to overdo things so much in my backswing. I've tried to slow down my tempo, but the results are still the same.

Thanks again Jeff, and when I'm more awake ( just got off work ) I'll re-read what you wrote.

[Matt10]

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If it's not one thing, it's the other.

I've managed to shorten my swing by bending over more at adress, focusing on just my left arm on the the backswing and keeping very little knee flex.

However, the result is back to my reverse pivot.

[Matt10]

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Okay, since I was going back to a reverse pivot, I decided to focus on my shoulder turn more:



I moved my arms first, to a little bit outside of my right foot, then I just turn my shoulders. The problem is still the overswing, and I'm not sure if it's ever going to go away. I'm doing some mad research fright now in figuring out how not to overswing. My arms don't feel like they're doing that much -- could it be too much shoulder turn? Or should I focus on my width of my arms?

[slater170]

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Okay, since I was going back to a reverse pivot, I decided to focus on my shoulder turn more:



I moved my arms first, to a little bit outside of my right foot, then I just turn my shoulders. The problem is still the overswing, and I'm not sure if it's ever going to go away. I'm doing some mad research fright now in figuring out how not to overswing. My arms don't feel like they're doing that much -- could it be too much shoulder turn? Or should I focus on my width of my arms?

no disrepect meant matt.
looking at your last pictures i would say go back to basics and start again
you are seriously out of shape mate

[detonum]

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In the last picture you are turning your shoulders way too horizontally. They should rotate at the same angle they were set at address.

By the way, don't get discouraged. It's easy to get discouraged when you're not seeing any progress. Just keep on working, I tell you it's going to pay off.

[Matt10]

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No disrespect taken, Slats. I took your advice and kept it simple on this one. Merely focusing on my left arm to go back and through.



Deto, thanks for noticing that on my previous pictures, not good. I understand the discouragement, it's kicking in - but in a way I feel like I'm close - eitherway it's alot of fun figuring things out and getting help along the way. In the end though, I'm thinking I might have to seek some more lessons in person. I need someone to actually make me feel what I need to feel in my entire swing.

I'm a bit upset with my current coach, who hasn't even noticed a reverse pivot - but then again he just looks at my ball flight and distance - as did I before I decided to record my swing again.lol.

[slater170]

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No disrespect taken, Slats. I took your advice and kept it simple on this one. Merely focusing on my left arm to go back and through.



Deto, thanks for noticing that on my previous pictures, not good. I understand the discouragement, it's kicking in - but in a way I feel like I'm close - eitherway it's alot of fun figuring things out and getting help along the way. In the end though, I'm thinking I might have to seek some more lessons in person. I need someone to actually make me feel what I need to feel in my entire swing.

I'm a bit upset with my current coach, who hasn't even noticed a reverse pivot - but then again he just looks at my ball flight and distance - as did I before I decided to record my swing again.lol.

hi matt
on these pictures you look a lot more in shape and balanced.
try to find another coach to help with your quest posting pictures online is a good idea but you are open to a lot of advice that may be contradictory.
you are down to 5.3 in no time at all so you are obviously doing something right

[Jeff Mann]

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Matt - Another suggestion that may help you.

See - http://jeffmann.net/MT2.jpg

Note that when you have a good backswing pivot you seem to be loading your upper torso directly over your right foot.

However, when you reverse pivot, you turn around a centralised axis between your feet, and your upper torso is situated between your feet.

Try and change your thinking, and think of turning around an axis that is located over your right foot (and not centrally between your feet). Start at address by leaning your upper body (spine) over to the right so that you have more weight on the right foot (even to the point of feeling that you are mainly being suported by the right foot). Swing around an imaginary axis situated over the right foot. Feel that your upper body weight is directly over your right foot at the end of the backswing, and that your hands are outside your right foot. Make sure that the bill of your baseball cap is turning to the right. In fact, it is even better to allow your head to move about 2-4" back while the head rotates. Deliberately shift-rotating your head may help you get over to the right side.

Jeff.

[Matt10]

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So something like this? (Excuse the messy room, have to go to work)



If so, that is the backswing length I'm going to try to apply from now on. Hopefully tomorrow morning I'll be able to hit the driving range and record some swings with an actual ball.

Note on this backswing, Jeff, I focused on a slow backswing and my eyes were focused on the outside of my right foot - which seemed to have worked.

[shootin4par]

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matt, on post #26 look how your right knee is over the ball of your foot at the top of the backswing
look here and stop it at the top of couples backswing and see where his right knee is, then look for more pictures of top pros and see where theirs is as well.
http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...96couples.html
your right knee in the black jumpsuit looks much better but there are other components that are off. where the right knee is at the top of the backswing is an indicator of what went on before it. I realize it seems as if you want to go a different route then what I have to say, and that is fine, so I am bowing out of this one. good luck in the search
seeker