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  • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

    Hey,Could anybody that knows the 4MM golf swing post a video from start to finish? and also is anybody getting any lower back pain issues with this swing?I am.

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      Originally posted by catsass View Post
      Hey,Could anybody that knows the 4MM golf swing post a video from start to finish? and also is anybody getting any lower back pain issues with this swing?I am.
      I'm nowhere near brave or secure enough to post myself in cyberspace in any form. I'm not sure any 4MM video exists, curiously enough even the purveyor of this method does not seem to have anything up demonstrating this swing.

      As for pain, quite the opposite for me. It relieves the back pain I used to have. Perhaps try setting up a little more upright with a taller posture through the swing.

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        Lynchjo, I already know how to make MM1 wrist break.I read all that in Joe Dante"s book.I am not wanting to buy Andy Brown"s verson,of the book.All I asked is there somebody out there that can post what the swing is supposed to look like.I am trying to get the feeling back that I had last year with the swing.I don"t think I am lifting my arm"s as bad, but I am trying to see if I am getting shoulder turn right. That" it. Thanks

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          Rotator, Thanks for the tip,I took some time off to let my back heal a bit,reread book over and over,then I had my wife watch me swing and make sure I turned my shoulders and not lift my arms.Walla swing never felt better,thanks again.also if you lift arms with this swing you will be out to lunch and wonder why?

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          • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

            Just tried MM1 and wow that feels wrong. Should the club face be closed at the half way stage if i'm doing it correctly? Although if i'm doing it right it does feel a very easy way of setting yourself at the top.
            Last edited by Mike420; 07-31-2009, 01:13 AM.

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            • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

              Mike 420,The best way I can describe it is that after you make the thumb press right,you will not be able to see any of the club face at almost waist high. so I guess it is somewhat closed.I am by far no xpert! keep asking questions tho, somebody will chime in and try and help, that is how we learn.If you look up the thread a little you will see I was yanking and pulling all over the place and ROTATOR gave a great tip to look at, I did and it worked,I was baffled I took time off, practiced the tip it worked.

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              • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                Originally posted by catsass View Post
                Mike 420,The best way I can describe it is that after you make the thumb press right,you will not be able to see any of the club face at almost waist high. so I guess it is somewhat closed.I am by far no xpert! keep asking questions tho, somebody will chime in and try and help, that is how we learn.If you look up the thread a little you will see I was yanking and pulling all over the place and ROTATOR gave a great tip to look at, I did and it worked,I was baffled I took time off, practiced the tip it worked.
                Thanks, I think i've got it after watching that video. I'm going to give it a go at the range. It does cut out the variables in the back swing.

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                • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                  Hi Mike,

                  As I said to catsass, there is a tendency to make the early wrist break and then to lift the club up with the arms. You may think you are turning your shoulders, but if you really look closely at it, you will see your shoulders may turn as you lift your arms, but your torso has not turned along with the shoulders. Without turning the shoulders and the upper body will result in you retaining that closed face at the halfway back position to the top of the backswing. If you turn the shoulders and torso, the face will open to a square position, without you having to manipulate the solid wrist cock you initially attained.


                  Ted

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                  • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                    Originally posted by rotator View Post
                    Hi Mike,

                    As I said to catsass, there is a tendency to make the early wrist break and then to lift the club up with the arms. You may think you are turning your shoulders, but if you really look closely at it, you will see your shoulders may turn as you lift your arms, but your torso has not turned along with the shoulders. Without turning the shoulders and the upper body will result in you retaining that closed face at the halfway back position to the top of the backswing. If you turn the shoulders and torso, the face will open to a square position, without you having to manipulate the solid wrist cock you initially attained.


                    Ted
                    Thanks I think that's a key point and i've tried lifting my hands and I can see how the closed club face is maintained. You can also a feel a lot of resistance in the upper body. I think i'm doing it correctly as my club looks in the correct position at the top, I was just a bit unsure about the takeaway as it was closed which is against everything i'm being taught, but i'll give it a go see how it is. I do like the idea of cocking the wrists and turning the shoulders. Seems so simple.

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                    • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                      Ok well I tried the first move on the range and the results were a bit mixed, but I have faith that it could work very well. My bad shots were slices and I think I know the reason having thought about it more. I think I wasn't letting my club drop from the top enough and fall into the slot. I was just turning and I’m pretty sure that promotes an over the top swing. I think if I stuck with it I’d have a repeatable consistent swing. However I won't continue with it as it felt a bit too unorthodox for me and I’m having lessons at the moment. That said I won’t dismiss returning to it in the future. How have people who have been persisting with it found it?

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                      • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                        Hi Mike,

                        As I have said in earlier discussions on 4MM, I was fortunate, in that I took to it relatively seamlessly. I fine tuned the requirements, following the basic system. I do a have a very good fundamental knowledge of the golf swing, having experimented with just about every type of swing, by intentionally and more often unintentionally learning through trial and error. I realized that certain fundamentals have to be followed, regardless of the system. So things like dropping into the slot, OTT, grip problems, etc casting have to be eliminated as issues.

                        For instance, I found that the extreme closed face and lifting of the arms was creating a shut face at the top, so I learned that the swing has to be with the shoulders and torso turning together to take the arms to the top. But this is a basic fundamental - to keep the arms in front of the chest throughout the swing, so to do that in 4MM is not any different. This squares the face.

                        As for the OTT, that could also easily creep into the practice of 4MM, if you are not aware of dropping the arms into the slot properly as a fundamental motion as for any other swing system. This may help.

                        The 4MM pre-setting of the wrists creates an extreme bent back right wrist, which you carry to the top of the backswing. Your first move on the downswing has to be the lateral shift of the lower body, which starts to drop the club "into the slot". You do not start to crank the shoulders. You do not cast. You do not pull straight down with the arms and hands like in pulling on a bell chain. The "slot" is on plane. So the arms/hands "drop" on plane. Once you are in the slot, then you can aggressively turn into the swing.

                        What should help you with the foregoing is keying on keeping the bent back position of the right wrist throughout the swing. If you do this, you will not cast, your elbow will drop to the front of your hip, the swing will be on plane, the lag will be retained, and the face will stay square until the impact, at which point the wrist will still be slightly bent (which will also help to keep the left wrist stable - flat or bowed). Centrifugal action and the rotational speed of the swing will supinate the arms and uncock the wrists, without you thinking about it.

                        I found that, for some reason, the swing works better when you stand closer to the ball, the hands below the shoulders.

                        The 4MM book likely does not get into the above details I found by working on the system on my own. It's a pity.

                        Ted

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                        • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                          Good post, I'm still in the learning process so I don't have all the fundamentals nailed down. Definitely will give it a go again bearing in mind what you've said.

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                            Mike,when you get the wrist break right,and turn your shoulders to the top,you will feel wound up like a 8 day clock. do not try and relieve any of the pressure of it at all,just shift your hip forward and everything will follow. that is how I see it anyway. good luck.God I love this game,it sucks!!! I got to turn in I scored some senior open tickets up in Indy,for the weekend,I finally get to see how the pros do it.

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                            • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                              Hi Everyone,

                              My name for the purposes of this forum is cookie4.

                              I am from Western Australia and have been a hacker for the last 20 of the 45 years I have been playing this marvelous game. Anyway enough of me.

                              Suffice to say before I add another weapon to the already overflowing armoury in my garage could you be so kind as to give me your views on the Medicus dual hinge driver.

                              I have just sent away for the 4mm package and with the free pages I got I have tried the swing out in the back yard
                              My problem is that I also watched the videos of the medicus d.h.d courtesy of Lynchjo"s blog ( thanks very much John) and in video #1 after the driver had been swung an observer said " so you keep the club low to the ground for the first 18 inches"which is ok but then the main man said "....... and if you close the face excessively the club will break"

                              So my qustions are : Has anyone tried the medicus d.h.d. using the 4mm principles and if so what was the outcome and is the 4mm closing of the face excessive?

                              The last thing I want to do is buy the driver, swing it using the 4mm principles and hear a crack and have another stake for the lemon tree.

                              Thanks Cookie
                              Last edited by cookie4; 08-06-2009, 10:19 AM.

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                              • Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

                                Hi Cookie,

                                In my opinion, the Medicus will "break" with 4MM, as the initial break creates a quite severe closed face. It is only when you rotate your shoulder around that the face gets to more square.

                                Ted

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