i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Guys,

During this cold, wet and totally sickening time of our year when golfers become depressed with playing golf in soggy fields with wet clothes and a bag on your back all day................I am sure Tiger would play great with a wet bag on his back and six layers of wet so called waterproofs, other than that Merry Christmas to you all.

I have been watching YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. enter 'swing vision' in and all the tour players come up in super slow-mo, great viewing. I too took on board Brians comments about the driver, the difference I see the pros come down more inside on the downswing to return the club back in the middle, of course only because they obviously read about 3SKs......most golfers do the same but from the outside hence slicers.............!!!!!!

Ian.

[bdbl]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

After thinking this through over a coffee a light bulb lit up! If you ground the driver behind the ball so that the ball is centre, then lift it to ball height the ball will be aligned to the heel. It has to, just try it. Aligning the ball off the toe when grounded at address brings it back perfectly at impact, the same happens with other clubs by differing amounts depending on how high they are teed.

By Jove Brian; you're right - just been messing about in the garden and I can see the the alignment change as I lift the club, I'll incorporate some adjustments into my setup next time I'm at the range and see what works best with a full swing.

[bdbl]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

good stuff brian

after playing on saturday im going to start a new thread titled " i used the 3 skills and sh*nked,topped,hooked,sliced it"
not overly worried, golf is hard enough without playing in 3 layers of rainsoaked clothes and a real temperature of +2 degrees

Look on the bright side Ian, at least 3Skills is expanding your game; I'm not using it and last time out I just hooked, hooked, hooked and hooked again.

Consistent I suppose though.

[golfseeker]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

I believe that people don't realize that the club head actually drops down somewhat because of its weight upon impact. This is especially true with your woods. It is also true with the irons as well. If you notice the driver is designed so that it is toe up at address but at impact it is square. I once watched Dave Pelz demonstrate hitting a ball a couple of feet off the ground in a bush. He said that you have to aim your club above the ball a couple of inches in order to hit it square. I think that Jack Nicklaus does this with his driver. He hovers above the ground at address everytime and hits crisp shots everytime as well.

[Neil18]

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Off the point a little I worked on something else. I have noticed when using impact spray that the higher the ball is teed the closer I hit towards the heel, more with the driver and dropping towards the centre as the ball gets lower to the ground. After thinking this through over a coffee a light bulb lit up! If you ground the driver behind the ball so that the ball is centre, then lift it to ball height the ball will be aligned to the heel. It has to, just try it. Aligning the ball off the toe when grounded at address brings it back perfectly at impact, the same happens with other clubs by differing amounts depending on how high they are teed.

I came home and ran a number of tour pros swings down the line through my VI software, marking lines down the shaft at address then at impact, there was a marked difference between the plane of the shaft at address and at impact. At impact the arms had extended and the plane was on average 10 to 15 deg higher. This also encouraged me to align towards the toe at address with irons off the ground. Impact was nicely centered every time.

Great stuff this impact spray and free VI software.

Funny you should mention that Brian.

I have been doing a little indoor research into swing consistency whilst the weather is a little on the damp side.

I have obtained a load of footage of current PGA tour players driver swings from down-the-line and put them on V1.

I have also footage of Ben Hogan and Sam Snead from down-the-line.

This may or may not surprise everyone, but out of 17 modern day professionals I have footage for, only one gets the clubshaft angle at impact anywhere near the same as it was at address. Guess who??!!

And I'm not talking journeymen here. Scott, Vijay, Ernie, Garcia, Donald, Choi, Casey, Poulter etc etc. The list is almost endless of modern professional players that cannot or do not bring the shaft through impact on plane.

Tiger is the only one who does it.

On the other hand, Snead and Hogan both religiously brought the shaft through on plane, and they were two of the most accurate hitters the game has ever seen.

It's why Tiger has so much more ball control and confidence in where the ball is going.

It actually staggered me to look at some of the pro swings in slow motion. Some of them are awful! I hope he would forgive me if he ever read this, but the swing of Ben Curtis holds absolutley no aesthetic pleasures whatsoever for me. Poor turn, no lag, flippy at impact.............and he's won the Open!

But they make a living, so playing golf well enough to earn a living from it has almost nothing to do with what your swing looks like.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

[slater170]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

What a washout of a weekend here, it has poured down and closed the courses.

Paid a few visits to the range and worked some more on ball striking with some nice results, I could feel that great ball compression happening.

Off the point a little I worked on something else. I have noticed when using impact spray that the higher the ball is teed the closer I hit towards the heel, more with the driver and dropping towards the centre as the ball gets lower to the ground. After thinking this through over a coffee a light bulb lit up! If you ground the driver behind the ball so that the ball is centre, then lift it to ball height the ball will be aligned to the heel. It has to, just try it. Aligning the ball off the toe when grounded at address brings it back perfectly at impact, the same happens with other clubs by differing amounts depending on how high they are teed.

I came home and ran a number of tour pros swings down the line through my VI software, marking lines down the shaft at address then at impact, there was a marked difference between the plane of the shaft at address and at impact. At impact the arms had extended and the plane was on average 10 to 15 deg higher. This also encouraged me to align towards the toe at address with irons off the ground. Impact was nicely centered every time.

Great stuff this impact spray and free VI software.

good stuff brian

after playing on saturday im going to start a new thread titled " i used the 3 skills and sh*nked,topped,hooked,sliced it"
not overly worried, golf is hard enough without playing in 3 layers of rainsoaked clothes and a real temperature of +2 degrees

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

What a washout of a weekend here, it has poured down and closed the courses.

Paid a few visits to the range and worked some more on ball striking with some nice results, I could feel that great ball compression happening.

Off the point a little I worked on something else. I have noticed when using impact spray that the higher the ball is teed the closer I hit towards the heel, more with the driver and dropping towards the centre as the ball gets lower to the ground. After thinking this through over a coffee a light bulb lit up! If you ground the driver behind the ball so that the ball is centre, then lift it to ball height the ball will be aligned to the heel. It has to, just try it. Aligning the ball off the toe when grounded at address brings it back perfectly at impact, the same happens with other clubs by differing amounts depending on how high they are teed.

I came home and ran a number of tour pros swings down the line through my VI software, marking lines down the shaft at address then at impact, there was a marked difference between the plane of the shaft at address and at impact. At impact the arms had extended and the plane was on average 10 to 15 deg higher. This also encouraged me to align towards the toe at address with irons off the ground. Impact was nicely centered every time.

Great stuff this impact spray and free VI software.

[slater170]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi guys
posted this review on golfmagic.com and modsquadgolf.com

"hi all
as regular users of the chat room will know i have been carping on about the book "nail it" by 3skillsgolf.com
I first came across the concept while attending .a golf day at the forest of arden in late august.
well after a little over 2months of practice sessions I have to say for me its an overwhelming success!
not wishing to be controversial but how come some an everyday pro can make the game so simple while most of the games elite coaches can overcomplicate things to the point where you haven’t a clue as to what you are supposed to be doing!
The author Joe Hagan delivers a golf method that works and is laid out in a very clear and concise manner.
in just under 3 years of playing i have had 2 lessons, bought numerous DVD's, coaching manuals and read 100's of tips on forums like this one.
this approach got me to a point where I could card around 100 wherever I played but that’s probably where i would have stayed due to inconsistent ball striking.
then i went to the golf day and was introduced to 3skills by Kevin McDonald PGA, i bought the book and have read it through numerous times, its so simple to follow its untrue and so i managed to groove the practice drills fairly quickly,
there is a practice drill for each of the skills and if practiced diligently then the results will follow.
The book debunks many of the myths that are applied to the golf swing and if you are prepared to let go and clear your head of swing mechanics you have a better chance of success! This book is all about finding the sweetspot!
Other than the drills it places great importance on visualisation and imagery, the title of the books represents the main concept of hammering a nail through the ball by applying the club head to the ball squarely in differing angles of attack and on an inside path.
All I will add is that this book will work for golfers of all skill levels but more so for high handicappers who struggle to hit the ball consistently well
Any questions just give me a shout."

[slater170]

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My point exactly,

Simon Wakefield European Tour Winner, (Local Stoke boy) shot an 82 this morning in NZ, worse than that he's in my Fantasy Team.....................

Some day it just doesn't work no matter how good your ball striking is.

Ian.

ARRRGH
put wakefield in as my last pick this week.

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Great Post,

I have to agree here with most of this, as a player that gets out to the tour once per year one thing that amazes me every time that 'Tour Players' are not as good as you think, every year I watch a whole load of poor shots, duffs, two out of a bunker (Casey) drives flying miles off line.

My point being that television only ever focuses on the guys who are playing their socks off, which they are all capable of, but when you watch it live and see the likes of Casey, Campbell and others shooting nearly 80 in a round it brings home just how difficult this game is.

3SKs no doubt inproves your ball striking, it definatley un-clutters your mind to help you enjoy the game more, it builds confidence as this thread proves, but we all need to learn course management thats for sure, I always remember there is such a thing as a good two putt even if it means bogey.

Ian.

My point exactly,

Simon Wakefield European Tour Winner, (Local Stoke boy) shot an 82 this morning in NZ, worse than that he's in my Fantasy Team.....................

Some day it just doesn't work no matter how good your ball striking is.

Ian.

[bill reed]

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hi Greg
it was not a off subject thread as it was related to the difference in the numbers of posts on this thread and how they were diffrent. main page says 513 post and this page says 502.
cheers
bill

[greghutton]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi
i believe the mods are looking into it and speaking with cmays about it and when they come to a conclusion they will let us know what has happened.
cheers
bill

He was contacted and asked for an explanation as to the nature of his recent posts and no response was received. He has been placed on permanent ban. For any other discussion on this matter please contact admin direct on admin@golf-tuition-online.com please refrain from using off subject threads. Thanks Guys.

[bill reed]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi
i agree with Brian lets get back to golf.
bill

[BrianW]

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This thread is about 3 skills and not Cmays. Greg has explained the situation in two other threads. Please understand that anyone can post their opinions on golfing matters here but the site needs to protect it's self against anyone who uses personal insults against other members. The issue is not about golf.

[bill reed]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

hi
i believe the mods are looking into it and speaking with cmays about it and when they come to a conclusion they will let us know what has happened.
cheers
bill