i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

[Neil18]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Not sure if this link works without registering to the site.

It's one from our mate A.J. Boner and relating to Skill the way the clubface rotates through impact. Interesting reading.

http://www.golflink.com/tipsvideos/viewtip.asp?t=36634

I think A J Boner has a completely different profession to A J Bonar Bri!

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Not sure if this link works without registering to the site.

It's one from our mate A.J. Boner and relating to Skill the way the clubface rotates through impact. Interesting reading.

http://www.golflink.com/tipsvideos/viewtip.asp?t=36634

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

It is Brian,

Usually a drive and a good 6 iron uphill, our 2nd, my course has a lot of tight holes.

Can't believe I just typed that.....lol

Ian.

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Thanks for asking Brian,

He's doing very well, he turned 12 last month, looking forward to Christmas, as he pick three presents 3 &5 nike woods and a G10 rescue... he plays football every Sunday Golf on Sat, his lessons are around every three weeks with the county, so some Sundays are hectic with golf in the afternoon, but I don't want him to focus on just golf, its to much.

He finished the season on 15.4, broke 80 once off the yellows, best of 83 off whites towards the back end of the season, I think he would have got to about 13 if he had another couple of months.


He does 100 sit-ups every day, which the county say will help him with even more strength, he passed me three times at Carden Park a few weeks ago and shot an 86 around the Cheshire course.

Thanks again, this was him in June:

YouTube - Liamjune07


Ian.

Good stuff Ian. Hey! thats a tight fairway?

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Ian,

By the way, how is Liam these days? I hope his golf is still progressing, I think he was playing for the county juniors?

Thanks for asking Brian,

He's doing very well, he turned 12 last month, looking forward to Christmas, as he pick three presents 3 &5 nike woods and a G10 rescue... he plays football every Sunday Golf on Sat, his lessons are around every three weeks with the county, so some Sundays are hectic with golf in the afternoon, but I don't want him to focus on just golf, its to much.

He finished the season on 15.4, broke 80 once off the yellows, best of 83 off whites towards the back end of the season, I think he would have got to about 13 if he had another couple of months.


He does 100 sit-ups every day, which the county say will help him with even more strength, he passed me three times at Carden Park a few weeks ago and shot an 86 around the Cheshire course.

Thanks again, this was him in June:

Ian.

[Neil18]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Evening chaps.

I have probably missed this somewhere, but are there any details around showing what the reasons for downward shaft bend are?

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Brian,

I watched that one and a few others posted there, one thing stands out above all else to me.

He uses the 3SKs and nothing else at all..............

secondly his confidence is totally unbelieveable, more than Tiger will ever have, if Moe Norman ever missed one shot I am sure he would faint.

I watched my son in slow-mo too his hands are higher at impact however the clubhead is in the same place, obviously it has to be or he would miss the ball, I think it could be called the 'Moe' effect. Something that all players do if they know it or not.

Interesting

Ian.

Ian,

By the way, how is Liam these days? I hope his golf is still progressing, I think he was playing for the county juniors?

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Brian,

I watched that one and a few others posted there, one thing stands out above all else to me.

He uses the 3SKs and nothing else at all..............

secondly his confidence is totally unbelieveable, more than Tiger will ever have, if Moe Norman ever missed one shot I am sure he would faint.

I watched my son in slow-mo too his hands are higher at impact however the clubhead is in the same place, obviously it has to be or he would miss the ball, I think it could be called the 'Moe' effect. Something that all players do if they know it or not.

Interesting

Ian.

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Guys,

Found a you tube analysis of Moe Norman.

YouTube - Why Moe Norman's swing is simpler and more efficient


Hope this helps

Ian.

Ian,

yes spot on with that video. The conventional swing shows what I was on about, Moe has a one plane swing that stays on the same plane.

I am trying to relate this to how we address the ball, I have found out by experiment with impact spray that I was tending to hit towards the heel and particularly with a driver where the ball is teed high and the club grounded and centred at address.

I was hoping it may help others who may get the same effects.

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Guys,

Found a you tube analysis of Moe Norman.

Hope this helps

Ian.

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Hi Brian,

Yes I see what you mean, this could be just natural with all of us because we set up relaxed and not really how we intend to come back to the ball, I think it would be difficult to set-up in the attacking position, well may be Mo Norman he does.

http://www.golfdigest.co.za/images/i...uction_4_1.jpg

The shaft does bend down at impact so possible a bit of both.



Ian.

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Sorry Brian,

Now I see where your coming from, the answer is at impact due to the forces involved the shaft actually bend down ) like this at impact hence the hands being on a higher plane at impact.

Watch a trick shot artist, they will tell you aim higher than the ball when hitting one off a gate post.

Or so I believe.

Ian.

This picture shows what I am referring to with plane at impact and address, the green lines show shaft and hand position at address and red at impact. I think its not due to shaft bend but wrist and arm extension.


http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/g...g/Baddeley.jpg

[qassim]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Sorry Brian,

Now I see where your coming from, the answer is at impact due to the forces involved the shaft actually bend down ) like this at impact hence the hands being on a higher plane at impact.

Watch a trick shot artist, they will tell you aim higher than the ball when hitting one off a gate post.

Or so I believe.

Ian.

This is a really good and timely discussion for me as I too have spent the last few weeks just experimenting rather than going out and playing in the bad weather.

I noticed that when taking the club away very slowly from the address position to a point where my hands were oppositite my right thigh and then bringing the club back to the ball at the same speed that the club was coming back to the ball closer to the heel. This was happening as a result of me straightening my wrists slightly.

In a full swing however, as Ian has pointed out, the shaft flexes (bend downwards) so this must have been cancelling out the effect of my wrists straightening.

I am now going to try and keep my wrist postion stable and start adressing the ball more with the toe of the club. This will then ensure that there is only one variable at play i.e. the the club shaft flexing.

[Ian Hancock]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Sorry Brian,

Now I see where your coming from, the answer is at impact due to the forces involved the shaft actually bend down ) like this at impact hence the hands being on a higher plane at impact.

Watch a trick shot artist, they will tell you aim higher than the ball when hitting one off a gate post.

Or so I believe.

Ian.

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Guys,

During this cold, wet and totally sickening time of our year when golfers become depressed with playing golf in soggy fields with wet clothes and a bag on your back all day................I am sure Tiger would play great with a wet bag on his back and six layers of wet so called waterproofs, other than that Merry Christmas to you all.

I have been watching YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. enter 'swing vision' in and all the tour players come up in super slow-mo, great viewing. I too took on board Brians comments about the driver, the difference I see the pros come down more inside on the downswing to return the club back in the middle, of course only because they obviously read about 3SKs......most golfers do the same but from the outside hence slicers.............!!!!!!

Ian.

Hi Ian,

I was not really looking at the club coming inside it is more a case of the plane or angle the club lies at when addressed and at impact. In just about every case the shaft at impact is around 15 deg higher than it was at address. If you address the ball then pushed your arms up by straightening and extending an inch or two you would replicate the effect. I think it is due to the additional extension of the arms when swinging as opposed to the relaxed and slightly flexed elbows at address.

The main point of this was related to my comments on grounding the head of a driver(or any club) centered to the ball when teed at address, especially when teed high. The club will return the clubface near the heel at impact. After studying this and doing some tests with impact spray I found that I get a centre hit in almost all cases when aligning the ball towards the toe of the club.