Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

[kbp]

Re: Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

Curing OTT is so tough because it is the most instinctive way to strike an object on the ground. Not the most effective way to send a golf ball 300 yards in a straight line, but the most instinctive way to put the club on the ball without missing it or hitting the ground.

If you had to tee the ball up at chest level and then hit it, there would be no OTT.

[BrianW]

Re: Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

LOL!

Legs proviode stability, sure. We stand on them. And they facilitate movement. Golf ain't so different from walking. And we can all do that!

I believe it isn't so much the right arm the causes OTT swings, but the right shoulder. Keeping the right shoulder up and back in the early stages of the downswing is almost a guarantee of not going OTT......yeah you know me.....I plead guilty.........wanna cup o' tea?.........ahem.

The body and arms have to move the same PROPORTIONAL amount. The arms and hands being on the "outside of the record" actually have more work to do than the core/hub/torso and shoulders in order for the club to reach the ball at the right time in relation to the body movement as a whole.

We're open to the target at impact because the clubhead lags behind and is whipped through as the forearms turn over SLOWLY. Not because the body's turn has forced the arms to do something.

Absobloodylutely spot on Neil.

Using my driver, if I keep my body turning at a steady tempo on the downswing (Slower than I think I should), keep my arms in the centre of my chest and swing right through the ball while my forearm rotation releases the lag of the club I can drive the ball a country mile and pretty well on target. Swinging with the body and having passive arms is a recipe for a slice, swinging too much with the arms and little body turn brings a hook. Nice and easy, all together is what we need to stripe it.

EDIT:

I believe a two plane swing make you more prone to swinging out to in due to the complexity of dropping the club back onto address plane in the downswing . If you can narrow the difference between the address plane and the plane at the top and become more stacked then it becomes more difficult to swing OTT.

[bahamaman]

Re: Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

My only difference in what your thread says is that I transfer weight to my right leg on the backswing, then I bump the hips left and in doing so, transfer my weight to the left side. With my short irons, I keep my weight about 70-30 on my left side throughout the swing. It keeps me from swaying to the right hence hitting fat.

[Kail]

Re: Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

I am no PGA pro or anything close to that. But I have been working on this problem (of mine) a long time. Here I would like to offer some of my thoughts from a dumb learners perspective.

The problem in my opinion is just one of those related to physical and psychological nature of the body and mind. The visual field of view of the body/hand/club position relative to the ball is very different between set up and at full back swing. Also, most learners have no idea how it feels and look when hitting the ball from inside out. Believe me, I have tried most of what were suggested above with no particular results until I started to do the following....

Choose a high loft club (54 degrees may be), set up square to the ball (middle of stance) with the hand slightly ahead of the club face. Swing the club "without moving" the arms, pivoting on the "wrist only" which describe an inside out arc, hitting (chipping) the ball. You will find that if you mentally maintain the left hand ring finger as the pivot point relative to the ball you can hit the ball quite clean and along the target path.

Do this until you get a feel/look of the swing path when hitting the ball clean and inside out then start to include the arm movement small increments to half arm swing, then full body turn.

The above exercise has helped me to correct not only the outside in problem. It also helped me on hitting the ball fat, not releasing the club and let it pass the hand after contact.

[mahbo]

Re: Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

hi
i think swigging from the inside has to do with the right elbow. having the right elbow drop in front of the right hip and then have the legs and hips drive the swing forward are what makes a good inside swing.
if you look at Hogan and how close his right elbow is to his tight hip and how that also pulls down the left arm. you only need to move the weight to the left and turn the hips a little to bring the club back into the ball.
it is impossible to swing from outside to in if the right elbow moved to just in front of the right hip as it always gives you an inside line.
it also helps if you have an open stance to help your hips clear the way.
if you have a closed stance then you must work the wrists a lot more so the right hand comes over the left just after impact.
cheers
bill

Hi Guys

There does appear to be a common theme with having the right elbow close to the right hip to encourage in to out swing. However, does anyone have any good swing thoughts or drills to encourage getting the right elboe close to the hip?

the only one I can think of is, the good old golf vocer under the right arm pit? Is this drill relevant? or am I taking that drill out of context?

thanks

Mahbo

[KrudlerAce]

Inside Swing Path

Yes I have suffered from this as well not that long ago but managed to fix it at the golf driving range. I watched a couple of videos on the topic by Terry Crick & Conan Elliott that really helped.

For me personally, I just practised pausing at the top of the backswing at the range. Initially I really exagerated this at first to ensure I started the downswing with my lower body (not my shoulders & arms) and that I dropped arms and hands on the inside towards the ball.

I just continually worked on this in slow motion until it started to feel comfortable and began hitting golf balls. For me the real key was starting the downswing a bit slower so that my shoulders and arms wouldn't take over which is what happens to most slicers of the ball.

Give it a try and see how you go ... I do feel your pain. Let me know if you would like to look at those videos and I can provide you with the links.

All the best

[keiko]

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correct, giving the backswing a chance to finish while transfering your weight forward and dropping the arms down and through. Keeping the left bicep close to the chest while doing this is a key.

Yes I have suffered from this as well not that long ago but managed to fix it at the golf driving range. I watched a couple of videos on the topic by Terry Crick & Conan Elliott that really helped.

For me personally, I just practised pausing at the top of the backswing at the range. Initially I really exagerated this at first to ensure I started the downswing with my lower body (not my shoulders & arms) and that I dropped arms and hands on the inside towards the ball.

I just continually worked on this in slow motion until it started to feel comfortable and began hitting golf balls. For me the real key was starting the downswing a bit slower so that my shoulders and arms wouldn't take over which is what happens to most slicers of the ball.

Give it a try and see how you go ... I do feel your pain. Let me know if you would like to look at those videos and I can provide you with the links.

All the best

[mahbo]

Re: Inside Swing Path

Yes I have suffered from this as well not that long ago but managed to fix it at the golf driving range. I watched a couple of videos on the topic by Terry Crick & Conan Elliott that really helped.

For me personally, I just practised pausing at the top of the backswing at the range. Initially I really exagerated this at first to ensure I started the downswing with my lower body (not my shoulders & arms) and that I dropped arms and hands on the inside towards the ball.

I just continually worked on this in slow motion until it started to feel comfortable and began hitting golf balls. For me the real key was starting the downswing a bit slower so that my shoulders and arms wouldn't take over which is what happens to most slicers of the ball.

Give it a try and see how you go ... I do feel your pain. Let me know if you would like to look at those videos and I can provide you with the links.

All the best

Hey Krudler Ace

Thanks for your reply. Yes, yes, the pause at the top of the swing. I forgot about that one. And I really like what you were saying about slow motion, and doing the exaggerated pause. Yes wise advice.

I keep thinking about what you guys are all saying about needing to "extreme" opposite to ingrain a habit. I feel is the trick to learn how to hit the ball excessively from the inside? OF is that silly, as it will just create bad fundamentals?

I am super keen to check out those Crick and Elliot Videos, please forward when you get a chance!

thanks heaps

Mahbo

[KrudlerAce]

Videos

Hey Mahbo,

Here are the links to those videos you're after ... I added an extra one as well. As mentioned these really gave me a good understanding of what was going wrong and how I could fix it.

I also have many other videos and other helpful information on the game of golf over at my fan page in facebook if you would like to check it out www.Facebook.com/GolfSwingSecretsOnline.

Happy to have helped Mahbo.

Anything else please let me know.

Cheers

[Crazy Hacker]

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Hey Mariner,

All these posts are suggesting the same thing, Swing the club on the inside using this or that method.

I will leave it up to you to decide how you can best use all this material and just finally reiterate that it is the butt end of the club that holds the key, it should point along the ball to target line throughout the whole swing except for the short time through takeaway and impact where it points at your belt buckle.

Don't despair the answer is there somewhere.

I've been having trouble with either a block shot or a hook, consequently resulting in never being able (or very rarely) to hit a straight shot. I had a lesson a few years ago to correct a large amount of blocked shots. I was taught how to use my hands to correct this and my swing path was never identified as a problem. The result is when I block/push a shot out to the right I usually over correct with my hands and make the next one a nasty hook. on a good day I manage to correct just enough to hit slight right with a high draw(very rare), having just been for another lesson my swing path was identified as coming too far from the inside (yes I must be in the 5%). Changing my swing was extremley difficult as the slicers will attest to attempt an inside swing path, hitting 200 balls a day and doing the backswing drills that were given to me in the lesson, has straightened me out ( I do like the shoebox/ wood idea for this swing fault as well). The bonus is that because I used my hands to correct my swing fault previously I now have good feel and am able to shape shots using my hands through impact. For the last two weeks I have regularly played 15 to 20 shots better than my handicap and people who don't know me are begginning to think of me as some sort of bandit (I am sure the handicapper will catch up with me). My point being nothing is passed being fixed with a swing, the hardest part is to unlearn bad habit, the lesson I learnt (somewhat of a watershed moment) was the butt off the club lesson mentioned above (useful for an overly inside swingpath too), and my game has been that much more enjoyable than trying to negotiate the course with the added handicap of a bad swing.

[heshy67]

Re: Why is so hard to teach us to swing from the inside?

as usual Greg is on plane