Are 4 magic moves magic?

[JaySpin]

Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

I would doubt it's a Dante thing-more likely Leadbetter's. JD is still pretty obscure. Whatever happened to Frosty? He had that compact, accurate 90's swing like Faldo, Price etc. that seems to be obsolete on tour now.
I have searched for vids and all I keep coming up with are the other David Frost interviewing Nixon lol.

[bruin]

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just like to say a big thank you to brianw, for posting the link to read the 4 mm's for free.
altered my grip , checked the early wrist break against mine and found that when i returned my hands they looked identical. checked my swing plane and found i was too flat , club dropped outside my shoulders on longer irons.went down the range and hit 50 balls , using 3sk's but with new grip and swing plane and at once the divots after the ball appeared , and no hooking .felt as though , with the 6 iron, itwas over my head , but checked and found it was above my shoulder.
i have been struggling against thin shots with longer irons and fairway woods, and a few hooks .
i think this was one of those 'eureka' moments, and look forward to another 50 balls tomorrow . the grip made so much difference , nice and firm , no club slip .
will practice on the mid-irons first and progress to woods when i am happy .

[bruin]

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i have spent 18months using the 3sk's and don't regard the change in grip and swing plane as a 'quick fix' . the 2 systems are similar and i have just 'borrowed' a bit from the 4mm's .
i think the concept of the arc in 3sk's and inside to square to inside swing had me taking the club back too flat, hence the longer the irons got the thinner i hit the shot. but i never really understood what i might have been doing wrong until i read the 4mm's .
my grip was in the fingers and light, now it's firmer and i see less knuckles.
i know it's early days , but the difference in feel and ease of strike was significant.i will continue to practice this for as long as it takes to improve my game.

[Neil18]

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i have spent 18months using the 3sk's and don't regard the change in grip and swing plane as a 'quick fix' . the 2 systems are similar and i have just 'borrowed' a bit from the 4mm's .
i think the concept of the arc in 3sk's and inside to square to inside swing had me taking the club back too flat, hence the longer the irons got the thinner i hit the shot. but i never really understood what i might have been doing wrong until i read the 4mm's .
my grip was in the fingers and light, now it's firmer and i see less knuckles.
i know it's early days , but the difference in feel and ease of strike was significant.i will continue to practice this for as long as it takes to improve my game.

That's the spirit.

[rotator]

Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

Hi JaySpin and Darth,

I've become a junky re looking at players who have an early break. I've seen this guy on NationWide.

He definitely has the early break, very close to the beginning of the back swing.

He is a descendant of a long line of golfers. Here's the story.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golfworld/...90223rosaforte

Ted

[JaySpin]

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Thanks Ted, nice story.
Played a couple of rounds last week and experimented with 4MM a bit. What are your thoughts on addins a conscious "head release" ala Sorenstam or Duval on the downswing? Where they defineitely turn the head towards the targetat or just after impact. I did it for a round and hit some of the longest drives I've ever hit. Next time oput however, I must have overdone it as I contact was terrible, lots of tops of the tee and fairway.

[rotator]

Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

Hi JaySpin,

I could see why you tried that, as I have always regarded Duval's and Sorenstam's actions as powerful and efficient.

I believe Sorenstam did that originally as a drill to make sure she had momentum going forward through the swing. She's very much a "rotary" swinger, using her body core to power the swing and the arms seem to go along for the ride. I suppose the 4MM is also a rotary swing, but with the shoulders generating the swing both back and forward. But one of the keys in 4MM is keeping the head behind the ball, is it not?

I'm going to the range one of these days. I have not been practicing, and played the first two games of the season straight off the couch. I'll have to try it, out of curiousity.

Ted

[JaySpin]

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Ted, Never mind, just got back from playing this morning. While I hit a few beauties on the front 9 I hit just enough clunkers on the front to post the highest 9 hole score (52) since I started 4MM. Went back to the basics of keeping head behind the ball on the back 9 and shot 40.

Hit a small bucket on the range to warm up though and worked on the head turn and hit em all beautifully though. Sigh.

[Shankless]

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Rotator:

I've recently purchased and read 4MM. Played my first 2 rounds in 6 months and seemed to hit the ball more solidly than I have in quite a while. Am not totally able to incorporate all of JD, but I attribute much to the early wrist break.

I watched the vid of Turnesa's swing and it appears that his is not the early wrist break but more of a wrist roll and break. Perhaps my perception is wrong.

Hope that continued work on the 4MM will show improvement and not the usual it worked for a while and then ..... You know the rest.

[rotator]

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Hi Shankless,

There may be the odd slip, but you should be able to work it out. It'll be a minor adjustment to get it back to where it should be.

It's nice to get real results so soon, is it not? I suppose what's going on is that for once you are doing the right things more consistently, such as full wrist break, lag retention, hands leading, etc. You might have been doing these things before, but not quite as consistently.

Ted

[Shankless]

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Ted:

So why is it that this system is not more heralded? Were it not for your posts I would not have purchased the book. Thank you very much.

Playing tomorrow and Saturday, hope I feel the same about it Sunday.

Les

[Jeff Mann]

Re: Are 4 magic moves magic?

Neil - Mac OGrady is using the right forearm takeaway.

I highly recommend the right forearm takeaway because it allows one to keep the clubshaft on-plane during the ENTIRE backswing.

I have described the right forearm takeaway action in great detail in my review paper and I have demonstrated it in the accompanying swing video lesson segments.

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/arm.htm

Joe Dante's early wrist break does not allow one to keep the clubshaft on-plane throughout the ENTIRE backswing.

A perfect example of a right forearm takeaway action can be seen in Stuart Appleby's swing.

Note how his right elbow-forearm stays on the white line throughout the early-mid backswing.

Jeff.

[JaySpin]

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Neil - Mac OGrady is using the right forearm takeaway.

I highly recommend the right forearm takeaway because it allows one to keep the clubshaft on-plane during the ENTIRE backswing.

I have described the right forearm takeaway action in great detail in my review paper and I have demonstrated it in the accompanying swing video lesson segments.

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/arm.htm

Joe Dante's early wrist break does not allow one to keep the clubshaft on-plane throughout the ENTIRE backswing.

A perfect example of a right forearm takeaway action can be seen in Stuart Appleby's swing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqJ9R2LypY

Note how his right elbow-forearm stays on the white line throughout the early-mid backswing.

Jeff.

Jeff, youre absolutely right, JDM doesn't keep the clubshaft on plane throughout the entire backswing. The early wrist break is not designed to do that.

It does promote an on plane position at the top of the backswing and more importantly at impact. Particularly for those of us less talented than Stuart Appleby.

[kbp]

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Neil - Mac OGrady is using the right forearm takeaway.
I highly recommend the right forearm takeaway because it allows one to keep the clubshaft on-plane during the ENTIRE backswing.
I have described the right forearm takeaway action in great detail in my review paper and I have demonstrated it in the accompanying swing video lesson segments.
http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/arm.htm
Joe Dante's early wrist break does not allow one to keep the clubshaft on-plane throughout the ENTIRE backswing.
A perfect example of a right forearm takeaway action can be seen in Stuart Appleby's swing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqJ9R2LypY
Note how his right elbow-forearm stays on the white line throughout the early-mid backswing.
Jeff.

When using an "early break", you can still keep the club "on plane", as Jeff and Homer define it, IF you apply some counter-rotation of the forearms.

[bruin]

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i have been using the 3sk's for about 18months, and decided to read the free download on the 4mm's.
reailsed i had club in all fingers of left and my plane was very flat.had been struggling of late so thought i would give it a try.
so far had 3 sessions at the range.with the last session incorporating the lateral hip slide, which i found easiest by lifting the left heel on backswing and just replanting before starting the downswing.
i am hitting nice crisp shots with a small divot after the ball and hitting either straight or a slight fade.i used to pause at the top , but now have a smooth flowing swing which feels good and has pleasing results.getting more hieght with the driver as well.
still have the imagry associated with the 3sk's but a much better grip and swing plane , so hopefully another few shots coming off my h/c.