i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

[The Hud]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Enough of P.N-H, for now anyway.

I was looking at this clip showing Moe Normans wrist movements through impact. He executed the 3 skills so well especially skill 3.

http://www.moenorman.com/images/moe_...view_hands.gif

Brian I have just purchased the book and have not yet been to the range to practice the 3skills, but I am a little confused by sk 3, as shown above by Moe, is that not what everyone dose when they are hitting through the ball ,
in other words the normal hitting action of the right hand as it makes impact, or am I missing something?.

[bill reed]

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hi cmays
Trevino says in his book on page 118.
Aiming and aligning to the left will force you to react by swinging your left arm out and down your flight path and through impact. the reactions that aiming to the left disallows are swinging the clubhead back off to the left, or turning the clubface off to the left, if you turn the club face then your ball will start out and curve to the left. do accelerate your left arm and clubface out and down your flight path and through impact and slightly beyond it.

i think this is the part that wont work with 3sk as there system has you swinging the arms and clubhead back to the left at or just after impact there swing is more around where i have to push my arm out away from the body to keep my fade.
i don't feel i have much wrist hinge and after impact my left hand seems to bow more and my right hand cup more too. right hand almost at right angle about left hip. my right wrist don't seem to flatten on the downswing and even when both arms extended there is still some cup there, not something i try to do it just happens.
bill

[bill reed]

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thanks cmays
over the last few months i have found you to be a big help to me. not many understand the how's and why's of the Trevino swing, and the things you have to do to make it work, you seem to understand the system and grasp the things I'm saying, it hard to explain to others that you push the ball and your hand move away from your body after impact and not inside and turn over like in normal golf swing and the use of the hips to control the swing.
my forearms don't start to turn over till about waist high on my left side at its about my shoulders before the back of my right hand point to the sky. feels a bit like Arni palmer.
once you understand it its a very easy system to use and it repeats as you know.
the thing with 3sk that don't work is the turning of the forearms through impact, if you do that you lose the the control of the fade. i find that doing it makes me draw the ball and makes it so hard to fade turning the club over, if i keep the club face open then i can control the fade. and with this type of swing i think its more about control than distance.
you pull the club through the ball to the impact point a few inches in front of the ball and it there that the arms both start to extend. i feel like the back of my left hand and the palm of my right hand control the club face and my hands are my aim point for where i want the ball to start out.
I'm not the best at explaining what I'm doing so i hope you understand. i know in my head what I'm doing and and why it works for me but its harder to try and explain it.
thanks again for your help.

ps.
still not recived my Mindy Blake books, there was a postal strike on over here and i have been told they will be here by Friday at the latest, will let you know how i get on with my two books.
cheers
bill

[bill reed]

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hi Kevin
thanks for getting back to me so quickly, Brainw has helped me understand your system and it has helped so many of my friends on here, more power to your elbow and hope it keeps helping more people in the future, not many use my (Trevino) system but it works so well for me i don't want to change, hope you understand i was only wanting to make sure that i understood you and that it would not work for me if i kept my system.
thanks again for your help and information.
bill

[kevinhendrix]

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hi Kevin
you say that 3sk will help with every method in the world but what if you use a method where you don't come in open to square to closed with the club face through impact but use a Trevino type system where you use an open stance and push the shot keeping the club face square before and after impact with no wrist turn through impact. the bowed left wrist before and after impact is what helps make this system work and you don't throw the club at the ball its more you pull it throw the ball with that system. Mindy Blake has a system very much like Trevino's. both systems seem to disagree with the 3sk and trying to use a open to close clubface would not work with there systems. i have tried it with the AJ Bonner type (home run) and it just don't work, it does work if using a normal type golf swing.
my point is that you stated that 3sk works with all method's of playing golf but i do think in two cases your system don't work.
i do believe it does work and works well with most types of golf swings but not all.
cheers
bill

Hi Bill
I hear what you're saying and agree with you. I was incorrect to say the 3sk will help with every method in the world.
I was trying to get across simply that whatever it is most instructors are teaching, ultimately
they are trying to improve the 3skills of their pupils. ie. a more powerful, squarer contact from the club's sweetspot.
Most of the time they are doing this unknowingly but in a very complex manner.
The 3sk stand in their own right and should never be combined with any other swing theory or technique. The author clearly states this in the book.
The beauty of the 3sk is the brilliantly simple logical way it encourages golfers to think about hitting a ball without all the unneccessary complexities other methods inevitably introduce. It leaves the golfer free to focus on the real task of golf - where to hit the ball and how it will get there!
Hope this clears up any confusion sorry for any misleading comments.
Cheers mate
Kevin

[bill reed]

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hi Kevin
you say that 3sk will help with every method in the world but what if you use a method where you don't come in open to square to closed with the club face through impact but use a Trevino type system where you use an open stance and push the shot keeping the club face square before and after impact with no wrist turn through impact. the bowed left wrist before and after impact is what helps make this system work and you don't throw the club at the ball its more you pull it throw the ball with that system. Mindy Blake has a system very much like Trevino's. both systems seem to disagree with the 3sk and trying to use a open to close clubface would not work with there systems. i have tried it with the AJ Bonner type (home run) and it just don't work, it does work if using a normal type golf swing.
my point is that you stated that 3sk works with all method's of playing golf but i do think in two cases your system don't work.
i do believe it does work and works well with most types of golf swings but not all.
cheers
bill

[kevinhendrix]

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Hello,
Kevin McDonald PGA here of 3skillsgolf.
Hope you are all enjoying your golf and playing well.
Big hello to all the Arden boys : )
Kevin McDonald PGA

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

Enough of P.N-H, for now anyway.

I was looking at this clip showing Moe Normans wrist movements through impact. He executed the 3 skills so well especially skill 3.

http://www.moenorman.com/images/moe_...view_hands.gif

[BrianW]

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Indeed. Ofcourse as J R's brother Leslie said, "the past is a foreign country, they played golf differently there".

This picture was the last time we saw P.N-H play in a British Open. The pressure really got to him on the final day after just making the cut, he was a great exhibitionist and could give anyone a run for their money.

[bdbl]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

A great loss to the golfing world, his reversing double pirouette niblick stinger was such a pleasure to see.

Indeed. Ofcourse as J R's brother Leslie said, "the past is a foreign country, they played golf differently there".

[BrianW]

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Brilliant.

That sums up exactly what I've been trying to achieve in my recent swing changes but I was struggling to put it in words.

I've checked Amazon but can't find Hacketts book; is it out of print?

He may have sold the publishing rights to J.R.Hartley at some point. Make sure you use his full name in the search engine:
Peregrine Norbington- Hackett. A great loss to the golfing world, his reversing double pirouette niblick stinger was such a pleasure to see.

[bdbl]

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I pulled out my old Norbington-Hackett's book "The 267 lessons of the modern golf swing" last night and refreshed my memory on that little gem of his relating to Anatomical Rotation. I never fail to wonder how he can reduce the complexity of ball striking to such a simple art form.

This extract is a classic:


"The manner in which anatomical rotation from an individual segment contributes to the position and velocity of the endpoint can be informative in the arena of many athletic events whose goals are to attain the maximal velocity of the most distal segment. This study presents a new method of velocity analysis using dual Euler angles and its application in studying rotational contribution from upper extremity segments to club head speed during a golf swing. Dual Euler angle describes 3D movement as a series of ordered screw motions about each orthogonal axis in a streamlined matrix form—the dual transformation matrix— and allows the translation and rotation component to be described in the same moving frame. Applying this method in biomechanics is a novel idea and the authors have previously applied the methodology to clinical studies on its use in displacement analysis. The focus of this is velocity analysis and applications in sports biomechanics. In this study, electrogoniometers (Biometrics, UK) with a frequency of 1000 Hz were attached to a subject during the execution of the swing to obtain the joint angles throughout the motion. The velocity of the club head was then analyzed using the dual velocity which specifies the velocity distribution of a rigid body in screw motion at any point in time as the dual vector. The contributions of each segment to the club-head velocity were also compared. In order to evaluate this method, the calculated position and velocity of the club head were compared to the values obtained from image analysis. The results indicated that there is good agreement between calculated values and the data, suggesting the suitability of using the Dual Euler method in analyzing a kinematic chain motion. "

Brilliant.

That sums up exactly what I've been trying to achieve in my recent swing changes but I was struggling to put it in words.

I've checked Amazon but can't find Hacketts book; is it out of print?

[BrianW]

Re: i used the 3 skills and nailed it!

I pulled out my old Norbington-Hackett's book "The 267 lessons of the modern golf swing" last night and refreshed my memory on that little gem of his relating to Anatomical Rotation. I never fail to wonder how he can reduce the complexity of ball striking to such a simple art form.

This extract is a classic:


"The manner in which anatomical rotation from an individual segment contributes to the position and velocity of the endpoint can be informative in the arena of many athletic events whose goals are to attain the maximal velocity of the most distal segment. This study presents a new method of velocity analysis using dual Euler angles and its application in studying rotational contribution from upper extremity segments to club head speed during a golf swing. Dual Euler angle describes 3D movement as a series of ordered screw motions about each orthogonal axis in a streamlined matrix form—the dual transformation matrix— and allows the translation and rotation component to be described in the same moving frame. Applying this method in biomechanics is a novel idea and the authors have previously applied the methodology to clinical studies on its use in displacement analysis. The focus of this is velocity analysis and applications in sports biomechanics. In this study, electrogoniometers (Biometrics, UK) with a frequency of 1000 Hz were attached to a subject during the execution of the swing to obtain the joint angles throughout the motion. The velocity of the club head was then analyzed using the dual velocity which specifies the velocity distribution of a rigid body in screw motion at any point in time as the dual vector. The contributions of each segment to the club-head velocity were also compared. In order to evaluate this method, the calculated position and velocity of the club head were compared to the values obtained from image analysis. The results indicated that there is good agreement between calculated values and the data, suggesting the suitability of using the Dual Euler method in analyzing a kinematic chain motion. "

[BrianW]

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[keith_mufc]

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Hi Ian thanks mate
yeah I know what you mean about over hitting it. Hopefully it will all ready for clubs blazing by the time March/April comes.
Even so its nice just to only be worrying about oops thats a bit bold lol.
Later mate
cant wait for the next GTO day think we should have 2 or 3 a year.
Cheers Keith